Meeting Nefertiti?

[To know the unknown]

Dutorom: Hello, my name is Dutorom, and you’re listening to ‘UnEarthly,’ the program that investigates the paranormal, ufology, and other mysterious encounters.

Today, I’m talking to Daviniya. Daviniya claims to have had a, momentarily, ‘out-of-body’ experience.

Is that possible? Could it have been something else… something completely different?

Well, I’m outside of her home now, so, let’s knock. Let’s see where things go from here...

[Door opens]

Hello Daviniya, nice to meet you. I’m Dutorom, the interviewer from UnEarthly.

Daviniya: Dutorom, yes, I regularly listen to your fascinating UnEarthly programmes, really thought provoking, and it’s very good to finally get to meet you.

Erm, come on in, sit down, and I’ll make you and your team a cuppa.

[Minutes later]

Dutorom: Alright, Daviniya, our equipment is all set up, we’re ready to record. Is it OK with you to start?

Daviniya: Yes, yes, I’m ready.

Dutorom: Good. Sound Engineer…

Sound Engineer: 3, 2, 1, record!

Part I

Dutorom: Hello, Daviniya, thank you for inviting us into your home, and we’re eager to hear of your perplexing account.

Daviniya: You’re welcome, Dutorom.

Dutorom: Now, Daviniya, you reported to us that you had an ‘out-of-body’ experience. Are such abnormalities usual for you?

Daviniya: Well… firstly… it almost certainly was an ‘out-of-body’ experience, but then again, I can’t say, exactly, for sure.

It was very odd. And I’ve only had such an happening once.

Dutorom: So… did that peculiarity occur while you were in a state of sleep? Would you say that you were dreaming, perhaps?

Daviniya: No, no, I was doing self-hypnosis. I do self-hypnosis every day. I’ve done it for years.

Dutorom: Self-hypnosis?

Daviniya: Yes, I attended a self-hypnosis session as a teenager - very calming. And I learnt to recall the methodology of the steps of self-hypnosis.

I’ve kept it in memory, stuck with it, and, as so, I’ve been doing self-hypnosis on a daily basis, ever since.

Dutorom: So, are you saying that during self-hypnosis you encountered this ‘out-of-body’ phenomenon? And did that, perhaps, transport you to… somewhere else?

Daviniya: Seemingly, yes. Maybe… It’s tough to say, but, it’s a possibility.

Dutorom: And, what do you remember about that moment?

Daviniya: Well… I was undertaking self-hypnosis, and… thinking back to that time, it’s all so weird.

Dutorom: For example?

Daviniya: I’m certain that I experienced a visitation. So, now I ponder… how?

I ask, had my inner being been transported somewhere? Did I arrive in another era? Or… was it something other… something incomprehensible?

Dutorom: A visitation? A transportation?

Daviniya: Yes, it was a bizarre moment and it continues to bewilder.

Dutorom: Alright, let’s get going here. So, you were doing self-hypnosis, yes?

Daviniya: Yes.

Dutorom: And where did things go from there?

Daviniya: Well, I lay on my back, on the floor, as always, and I started going through the steps of self-hypnosis, as always. Then, soon, I had fallen into a state of deep relaxation.

I began relaying positive thoughts for auspicious actions to take in my daily, and future, life, as always. When… suddenly, I felt as if I was floating – airborne - so odd.

Dutorom: And, what ran through your mind?

Erm… Had I left my physical being? And… the pull of gravity, why did it no longer exist? How had I suddenly been freed from the force of gravity?

Dutorom: Freed from gravity?

Daviniya: Seemingly.

Dutorom: Do you think that you might have been asleep? Dreaming perhaps?

Daviniya: Sleeping…? Dreaming…? Well, it didn’t feel like that.

It was all very unique, inexplicable, and there was a joyous sense of deep calmness.

Dutorom: Hmm... and where did things go from there? Did you drift outside of your home, or something?

Daviniya: No… at least I don’t think so. Well… I’m not sure. But… what happened next was…

The face of Nefertiti appeared before me and I could see a pyramid in the distance, behind her.

Dutorom: Nefertiti? The Egyptian Queen?

Daviniya: Yes, there she was, very near to me, but she wasn’t looking at me. She faced towards her right. So, I was looking at the left hand-side of her face.

Dutorom: And… did you speak to her? What did you say?

Daviniya: No, nothing.

Dutorom: Nothing?

Daviniya: No, but Nefertiti spoke to me. And… what made this even odder was… her mouth, her lips, they didn’t move, but, I could hear her words.

Dutorom: So, you heard her speak although her lips weren’t moving, yes?

Daviniya: Yes, and the other odd thing was that her cheek was twitching.

Dutorom: Twitching? This is beginning to sound very surreal, Daviniya. So… how were your senses, your feelings, at that time?

Daviniya: For some reason I was on a high. I was intrigued and continued to be so. Also, as I said, I was surrounded with the sensations of calm and peace.

Dutorom: Right, and… what do you think was causing that?

Daviniya: I can’t say, I don’t know why. I just know that I felt that I was outside of my physical being, and in a state of deep tranquillity.

Dutorom: Phew! And you said that Queen Nefertiti spoke to you. What did she say?

Daviniya: She said, ‘What you see is real’.

Dutorom: Hmm…? ‘What you see is real.’ And what do you make of that?

Daviniya: Well, at that time, it all seemed totally clear to me. It was like a revelation. It was as if I understood everything about the existence of consciousness and, ‘the other’.

Dutorom: ‘The other’?

Daviniya: At that moment, I understood that this short lifespan on planet Earth isn’t the end of everything. So… I felt elated, uplifted, and filled with some kind of new, never-before-known, wisdom.

Dutorom: That’s some quote Daviniya. And, why do you think that you had such sensations?

Daviniya: Well, now… thinking back, I just can’t say. It was such an extraordinary moment of time.

Dutorom: And next, what did Nefertiti say next?

Daviniya: Nothing, that was it.

Dutorom: So, did you understand the meaning of those words, ‘What you see is real,’ yes?

Daviniya: At that time, yes, but now… no.

Dutorom: So… was that the end of those surreal seconds?

Daviniya: No, no, there’s more to come.

Dutorom: Oh, continue please.

Daviniya: Suddenly, I felt myself slump down onto the floor again.

Dutorom: Returned?

Daviniya: Well, for a few seconds, and the words, ‘yes, I understand, I understand, it’s all so clear,’. They rolled through my mind. I felt as though I had had a tremendous revelation.

Dutorrom So, then… did you open your eyes and get back to everyday life?

Daviniya: No, no I didn’t, because, suddenly, I was floating again.

Dutorom: Floating again?

Daviniya: Yes. I was in the air, levitating, and standing in Egypt.

Dutorom: Egypt, with Nefertiti?

Daviniya: No. Now I was facing walls inscribed with Egyptian etchings, whatever, sketches or drawings… you know...

Dutorom: And had you studied those hieroglyphs before? Do you know their meanings?

Daviniya: Erm, no. I wasn’t looking at hieroglyphs. I was looking at depictions of ancient Egyptians. They seemed to be walking and carrying things.

Dutorom: Really? And was that the first time you had ever viewed such images?

Daviniya: Well, no… I’ve seen similar inscriptions in magazines and documentaries, as just about everyone has, but I had never taken to studying them or learning their meanings.

Dutorom: So, what impact did that Egyptian… art?... have on you?

Daviniya: Well, as I was looking at them I was struck with elation. The words, ‘I understand, I understand,’ repeatedly rolled through my mind.

I could read them, I knew their meanings, and I was filled with a sense of tremendous joy and wisdom.

Dutorom: And what did you learn from those hieroglyphs, er… depictions, sorry?

Daviniya: Erm… now, it’s all very bewildering. The engravings were, seemingly, engraved onto the stone-blocks. And… only, for a brief moment of time, could I fully understand them, but now… Well, their meanings are totally beyond me.

Dutorom: Do you think your experience was all just a dream?

Daviniya: It was a unique moment in time, Dutorom. I’ve never had a dream where I’ve been floating above myself before.

Also, I had never thought about Nefertiti in depth, nor on a regular basis.

And I had never looked into the meanings of ancient Egyptian depictions or hieroglyphs, and…

I’ve never experienced a dream where someone is talking to me, but they aren’t facing me, and their lips aren’t moving.

Also, for some reason, dreams usually disappear from memory. For example, last night I had a typically odd dream – I came across people wearing 1920s clothes.

When I awoke, I recalled most of that, but now, a few hours later, 99% of that dream has gone from memory, whereas…

The sight of Nefertiti, her words, seeing the ancient Egyptian etchings, they have been scored into my memory despite a number of passing decades.

All of that doesn’t match with my usual experiences of having dreams.

Dutorom: Hmm… and now, what do you make of those words of Nefertiti, ‘What you see is real,’?

Daviniya: Well… at that moment in time, I sensed and understood those words totally, but now, when I think of those words, today… I can’t grasp a deep meaning.

Nefertiti was cognitively transferring totally clear information to me for some positive purpose, but now… I can do no more than ponder on that bewildering moment of time.

Dutorom: So, as a result of that mystification, what goes through your mind now?

Daviniya: Well now… I think about our existence, I think about the theories of consciousness, the supernatural, and... the elsewhere.

I ponder on who we are, where we are heading to, and what happens after our physical hours here come to an end?

I sense that we are not just biological beings, my experience points to an ethereal side of our existence too, and maybe… all is never-ending… I believe it is.

Dutorom: Well… that is a truly mind-bending experience and explanation, Daviniya. Thank you for relating that extraordinary moment in time to us.

And… if any proven evidence ever reaches our team, we’ll get back to you and to our listeners.

Part II

So, you’ve been listening to a perplexing experience that unfolded in front of Daviniya. And that has been related for consideration to the realm of, ‘UnEarthly’.

So, next… next, we’ll put Daviniya’s experience to our professors, for them to discuss, and we’ll hear their assumptions.

Part III

Dutorom: So, now I’m joined by ‘Jane,’ the believer, and ‘Mike,’ the sceptic. They will tell us what they make of Daviniya’s moment of oddness, and give their accounts.

Firstly, we’ll begin with sceptic Mike. So, Mike, what do you make of Daviniya’s floatation experience while being in a state of self-hypnosis?

Sceptic Mike: Probably, Daviniya had fallen asleep. So, it may well have been all just a dream.

Dutorom: And… can you explain that?

Sceptic Mike: Yes, memories. In my childhood, I remember having had a few dreams of flying. There I was, flying above the rooftops, looking down at people walking along the streets, so, I would say that Daviniya was probably doing no more than enjoying an extremely interesting dream.

Dutorom: Hmm… a dream. And believer Jane, how do you feel about Daviniya’s experience?

Believer Jane: Well, Mike speaks about his childhood dreams, and me too, there are moments of my childhood dreams that I still vaguely recall, however...

Daviniya was in her early 40s when she had her very odd encounter, and now, that experience is engraved into her memory. That is unlike most adult dream recollections.

Also, she said her floatation occurred twice within a matter of seconds.

She felt as though she had been levitating, then, momentarily, slumped down onto the floor, then she was airborne again, for a second time. And she had returned to the sights of ancient Egypt.

All of this occurred within a brief matter of seconds. That is very unusual. I wouldn’t call that an ‘every night dream’.

Dutorom: Interesting. And Mike, what do make of the sight of Nefertiti in front of Daviniya?

Sceptic Mike: It’s not uncommon for the sleeping mind to create mental visions. The brain has billions of neurons, they can generate life-like images, quite easily, within a dream. For example…

If I want to relax, I close my eyes, and then I might decide to view explicit, heart-warming, memories, such as golden sunrises or sunsets.

That is a glorious, relaxing, visual activity, and it’s all to do with the complexity of the brain.

Dutorom: Hmm, yes. And Jane… what do you make of Daviniya’s experience of seeing Nefertiti?

Believer Jane: Well, unlike Mike’s honest observations, Daviniya wasn’t an ancient Egyptian researcher. Queen Nefertiti isn’t engraved into her neurons.

And, like the majority of us, Daviniya knows very little about the reign of Queen Nefertiti.

Daviniya hadn’t thought, I’ll close my eyes and search for Nefertiti while I undertake self-hypnosis. So, the sight of Nefertiti was, and still is, a bewilderment for her.

And Daviniya hasn’t spent her life exploring the mysteries of the ancient Egyptian pyramids, their tombs, their kings, their queens, or their hieroglyphs.

Nefertiti enigmatically appeared before Daviniya, without explanation, and that perplexing moment was unplanned.

That which Daviniya saw was unpredictable. She seems to have clearly witnessed an inexplicable visitation.

Dutorom: Mmm… interesting, Jane. And Mike, what about the words spoken by Nefertiti? ‘What you see is real.’

Sceptic Mike: Again, I would say it was some kind of a dream. They were possibly Daviniya’s own words firing through her multitude of neurons, synapses, and tendrils.

And every day, our own thoughts, as words, regularly speak to us through our minds, for example…

We might hear, and remember, the words of comedians, news readers, actors, etcetera, etcetera. And those words can unexpectedly traverse throughout our minds at any time.

So... it is possible to hear your own thoughts spoken as the words of others, while being awake or in the state of sleep.

Dutorom: Hmm… good point, Mike… and can you give any examples?

Sceptic Mike: Erm… not really, nothing comes to mind, but I’m sure that we all have had odd dreams, and when we awaken, those dreams are dismissed as just dreams, and not visitations.

Dutorom: Right… and Jane, those words… ‘What you see is real’. What do you make of that?

Believer Jane: There are those who say that we, this universe, is a computerised animation game, controlled by… who knows who.

So, some might call Daviniya’s experience the actions of a game player, somewhere, having fun. But, again, there is no clear evidence that we are all controlled by push buttons, so…

Other interesting theories have come from those who have died, for a short period of time, and then been revived, brought back to life. They tell of their experiences in the afterlife.

They relate having seen the actions of doctors and nurses trying to revive their dead bodies, while the person in the state of death is stood, in the treatment room, watching.

And in that state of death, for a short period of time, some remember having met up with, and spoken to, their deceased family, friends, or relatives.

Others remember finding themselves in heavenly fields of green, blooming with varieties of glowing flowers, and in the distance, they face stunning mountain ranges and a bright blue sky.

They have reported that their ‘dead being’ had reached a state of total peace and joy. As a result, those who have then returned to life tell us that they no longer fear the afterlife.

Perhaps Nefertiti was indicating life after death. ‘What you see is real’. Perhaps, Nefertiti was telling Daviniya of the marvels of the next life.

Perhaps, Daviniya had momentarily passed away, and as so, she had left her physical body and encountered an inexplicable, wondrous, ‘out-of-body’ experience.

Dutorom: Hmm… that is a very interesting account, Jane. So… and Mike, the levitation experience occurred a second time, with a return to Egypt, any thoughts on that?

Sceptic Mike: Well, I imagine Daviniya had awoken for a couple of seconds and then returned to the same dream. I’m sure there are others who have had similar experiences.

Dutorom: And… have you had that, ‘a return to the same dream,’ phenomena? Or have you been told by others of their returns to the same dream?

Sceptic Mike: Well, no, I haven’t. But again, we have to consider the complexity of the human brain. It is an incredibly diverse piece of intricate biology, so…

It is always possible that the very odd can occur due to the spread of multi-information that traverses throughout the vast range of the brain’s synapses and tendrils.

Internal information rockets from neuron-to-neuron producing a mixture of images, memories, and words, etcetera. And that can construct both truths and untruths.

Dutorom: Humm… Indeed. So, Jane, what do you make of the complexity of the brain?

Believer Jane: Well, me, I would consider the idea of consciousness. Neurological scanning hasn’t been able to locate the existence of consciousness. Yet, we are all deemed conscious.

Dutorom: So… consciousness doesn’t show up in brain scans, is that right?

Believer Jane: To date, yes. Scanning can find areas that light up with feelings of joy, unhappiness, fear, learning, etcetera, etcetera. But consciousness hasn’t been found.

Dutorom: Are there any theories as to why that is?

Believer Jane: Well, it is asked, ‘where is consciousness?’ Perhaps, it’s not within our minds or bodies, but it might be linked to our physical being.

Dutorom: Erm… can you explain?

Believer Jane: Well, consciousness might exist outside of us? Perhaps, it surrounds our outer self and sends information into the brain? Perhaps, it’s invisible, undetectable, a kind of aura… perhaps.

Think of ‘dark matter,’ its existence is thought of as a possibility, but it is undetectable.

Dutorom: So… is there any evidence that our consciousness might be an aura?

Believer Jane: Kind of. As we discussed earlier, there are those who have experienced having left their dead bodies.

They have told of watching doctors trying to revive them. They have related witnessing the medical team’s actions. Then, after a matter of minutes, they have returned to within their bodies.

Perhaps that is consciousness both leaving and then reconnecting to the biological body, perhaps.

Also, doctors and nurses have been told of their actions as seen by those who were in a state of death.

In interviews, the medics do little more than nod while listening to the witnessed accounts. And their faces portray a sense of bewilderment.

Dutorom: Wow! Our team will have to look into this.

Believer Jane: So, it might be possible that our consciousness is freed upon the condition of biological death, and perhaps, it drifts on… elsewhere.

Dutorom: And, have there been any accounts, where some of those who have died, for a short period of time, have explained where their consciousness went to?

Believer Jane: Reports differ. Some, in the state of death, have said that they wandered into unknown areas of time and space, other dimensions, universes, maybe.

Dutorom: But, there’s no evidence, yes?

Believer Jane: It’s theory. Again, it comes from those who have said they existed for a short while in the afterlife.

Perhaps, one day our consciousness will be discovered and seen leaving the physical bodies on a journey to… an otherness… perhaps.

Dutorom: Is there any current research into that?

Believer Jane: Well, as yet, an afterlife it hasn’t been technically found, but it seems to have been experienced, as told of by those who have returned from death.

Deutorom: Wow! That is something to hear, Jane. And Mike… what do you think about the possible existence of the afterlife?

Sceptic Mike: As Jane said, consciousness is thought of as being a part of human awareness. But that remains unproven, it hasn’t been found, so, it can be thought of as speculation.

If consciousness is an entity, where does it exist? Is it a truth? Is it an untruth? Well… to date, there’s no certain evidence.

Dutorom: Hmm… yes. Well, thank you Mike, and thank you Jane. Those afterlife experiences are bewildering, and as yet, unproven.

So, will we exist forever? And, why have we been placed in these bodies, on this world, here, today?

We’ll get our team to look into this puzzling account. We’ll contact medical researchers, and see where things go from there.

So, all thanks to Daviniya, and her ambiguous tale of Nefertiti and the Egyptian etchings. And, of course, to Jane and Mike. Thank you all for the fascinating possibilities that you’ve given to us. It’s food for thought.

(Part III)

Ending…

Deutorom: You’ve been listening to ‘UnEarthly,’ the programme that investigates the paranormal and ufology.

Today, you’ve heard an intriguing account of… some kind of a visitation of an ancient queen who lived thousands of years ago.

Our sceptic, Mike, dismisses the experience as a dream and nothing more.

Our believer, Jane, considers the possibility that consciousness might not die. She deems that it might continue to live on after biological life has ceased. Is that possible?

And have you experienced, or heard of, similar accounts? If you have, then get in touch with, WaffleBlag @ WaffleBlag.com. We’d love to hear from you.

And, in our next programme, you’ll hear more regarding the curiosities and inexplicabilities of our world, life, and the beyond. So, until next time, ‘

!’

THE END

Bio: David Baresch has published with…
Aphelion (Recent publications: ‘The Last Active: Major Tom ‘The Arc of Light’)
XR-Hub (‘It Crushes Our Sins’)
The Telegraph media (Mt Fuji climb)
New Humanist (Hiroshima, Japan)
Austin McCauley (‘The Tides of March’ An account of the Japan earthquake account of 2011)
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